to Shanghai, and uses them, holus bolus, for a Canadian project from Prince Rupert to Shanghai.

40K likes. What has changed to make it economic to supply Asia given that obvious unworkable economic situation?

Sorry about that. That is more than th. What is the connection between site c and LNG? Let me repeat.

The West started moving away from “dirty heat and power” starting in the 1980’s. Needless to say, the scientific community has very little time for Howarth’s assumptions especially in the context of the BC natural gas industry. Our Offices. Mr. NETL used 1.4% fugitive methane emissions. The recent study by Alvarez et al 2018 indicates that upstream emissions from all sources of oil and gas – both lower emission conventional resources and higher emission unconventional resources – is 2.3%, so a 3% estimate for fugitive methane emissions from unconventional gas resources is not unreasonable given that the source of BC gas for LNG Canada will be almost exclusively unconventional. The climate math makes it clear and you have yet to present any data to counter this argument. 141 Laurier Ave. West, Suite 1000, Ottawa, ON, K1P 5J3tel: 613-563-1341 toll-free: 1-844-563-1341 fax: 613-233-1458, Suite 520, 700 West Pender St., Vancouver, BC, V6C 1G8 tel: 604-801-5121 fax: 604-801-5122, Unit 205-765 Main St., Winnipeg, MB, R2W 3N5 tel: 204-927-3200 fax: 204-927-3201, P.O. It sure has legs though. What is a CCPA author to do? Since the Table 11 LNG emission numbers were so much lower than the coal, the author first addresses the coal numbers. As for the rest of your comment. It is acknowledging that Asia needs energy and that if they don’t get energy from one means they will get it from another. China is phasing out old coal plants but building a lot of best-tech ultra-supercritical coal plants that make the BC LNG ‘saving the world’ rhetoric of Trudeau, Horgan and the Chemist in Langley BS at best. This would be a human health disaster in North-Eastern BC where venting those concentrations of sour gas would kill off drill crews. Pretty much most of “cold” North America uses natural gas for heat, Coal has not been used to heat for years, and Heating Oil is quickly on the way out. Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives, Ottawa, Ontario. But even using all these overstated values the CCPA assessment comes up with the conclusion (in Table 11) that BC LNG has substantially lower emissions than Chinese coal. Studies of sour gas facilities show much lower results.

Thermal Coal destroys both. His colleagues at Cornell published a scathing rebuttal of the Howarth paper then a follow-up. David Gattie's Blog on Energy, Environment, and Policy, Hilary's musings & miscellaneous missives, "So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth." Argument against both say that site c exists only to support LNG at a heavily discounted rate and so BC taxpayers are subsidizing the LNG industry.
Robert Howarth is legendary in the anti-LNG camp for his 2011 paper with Santoro and Ingraffea titled: Methane and the greenhouse-gas footprint of natural gas from shale formations where they estimated fugitive emissions from natural gas production. Here is a link to a well-written summary of the issues with the paper and the various information sources debunking most of its findings. At some point it would be useful if you engaged with the arguments made by people like myself instead of simply repeating the same, tired and discredited talking points. The only reason why heating oil is used is simply due to cost and entrenched interests. It has been described as "left leaning". Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. My point is that if China is facing a choice of new power to reduce emissions it is far better off choosing best tech coal than BC LNG for at least the first 50 years. Back in 2014 Andrew Weaver gave a speech at UBC Okanagan where he discussed the China/Russia 30 year deal for natural gas from Russia to China at $3/ggj, AND at that time BC’s break even cost of producing LNG was $12/ggj. Natural gas is methane, a greenhouse gas 100 times more potent than carbon dioxide. The difference would then be the CH4 emissions in getting the Natural Gas to the end user, Shell has committed to drastically reducing this value) and the CO2 emissions to get it there by ship. You would think that this ridiculous change would be enough to make BC LNG less clean than coal, but you would be wrong. For Table 12 the author decided to go to the classic anti-LNG activist playbook and pulls out a report by Robert Howarth of Cornell University. Please provide links to these ZECCOM and ZENGOM technologies and where they are used. The Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives – BC Office (CCPA-BC) works with a team of over fifty staff and volunteer researchers to investigate the key challenges facing our province—the high rate of poverty, economic insecurity, the extreme concentration of wealth and threats to our environment and climate. It acts as a sequel to his earlier work and like every horror sequel the original beast, once thought slain, is revived to attack again. Opps. Mr. The CCPA claims that its estimates of budgetary surpluses have consistently been more accurate than those of the government. Or put another way, the unstated assumption is that China will close its newest and most efficient plants while retaining the hundreds of old, low-efficiency plants they have in their system. By adjusting the NETL values with a boost based on 3.3% leakage rate the CCPA author is able to raise the LNG number over the Chinese ultra-clean coal number. The CCPA has a National Office located in Ottawa, and Provincial Offices in British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario and Nova Scotia. You are simply repeating the talking points from an article that I demonstrated were invalid.

Learn how your comment data is processed. An Open Letter to Fraser Health about a miserable visit to your ER made worse by a lack of communication, price-gouging, and lousy amenities, On the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives’ bad science about BC LNG emissions, LNG Canada: Short-term politics trumps long-term climate responsibility, A Clear Look at BC LNG Energy security, environmental implications and economic potential, Country-Level Life Cycle Assessment of Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Liquefied Natural Gas Trade for Electricity Generation, Life Cycle Greenhouse Gas Perspective on Exporting Liquefied Natural Gas from the United States, https://www.resourceworks.com/sharing-science, Methane and the greenhouse-gas footprint of natural. Sorry, the people in the East will not buy our argument unless we help them with practical cleaner energy now – it is our duty to get the East LNG! To arrange an interview, or to speak with our communications team, 720 Bathurst St, Room 307, Toronto, ON, M5S 2R4, Kate McInturff Fellowship in Gender Justice, © 2020 Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives, Want to use something on this site? The new Howarth study asserts that unconventional wells have a leakage rate of 3.3%. The point is, we in the West have used our wealth to practically reduce our Air Pollution. Had the CCPA author included the electrification of these steps even with all his other fudge-factors he couldn’t make the Chinese coal more efficient than BC LNG. Box 8355, Halifax, NS, B3K 5M1 tel: 902-240-0926, 2nd Floor, 2138 McIntyre Street, Regina, SK, S4P 2R7 tel: 306-924-3372 fax: 306-586-5177, Centre for Social Innovation (Annex)720 Bathurst St, Room 307, Toronto, ON, M5S 2R4, CCPA National Office141 Laurier Ave. West, Suite 1000  Ottawa ON, Canada K1P 5J3Tel: 613-563-1341Toll-free: 1-844-563-1341Fax: 613-233-1458E-mail: [email protected]Media inquiries: [email protected]. This publication examines child poverty in Canada of First Nation children, which is staggering in proportions. Hood, please ask anyone who was an adult in the 50’s and 60’s and lived in Europe or Eastern USA about “coal” – Coal was a disaster. The CCPA is a registe I did find this link: https://www.worldcoal.org/reducing-co2-emissions/pathway-zero-emissions-coal From what I read, there are 4 COAL burning plants that operate and are using Carbon Capture Technology. The issues with the CCPA report start right at the beginning of the section. Which makes your site a complete waste of time. On top of that are the leaks that occur throughout the production process. The only adaptation he makes is to adjust for tanker shipping distance. ( Log Out /  I repeat. Dear A Chemist in Langley. I read an SFU paper somewhere that discounted that notion but now can’t find it again. The unstated assumption is that the Chinese will eliminate those ultra-modern plants to replace them with LNG. Other commentators pointed out that paper incorrectly attributed to venting, gas that was actually burnt to run production equipment.

Meaning, natural gas is not a “clean” fuel—it is just as carbon-polluting as coal. You try and trash studies you don’t like because of your ideology but can’t back up your claims with real data. To find out more about our offices, visit the About CCPA’s Offices section. I’ve written before about CCPA reports on gasoline prices and on 100% renewables) and in both cases I was not been impressed by the rigour of the analyses.

There are no sour gas studies in NEBC that show lower emissions of methane as you state. The 3% estimate reveals that on a 20 year basis best technology coal is 27% worse than BC LNG in new facilities, and on a 100 year basis is 7% better. The 3% is unreasonable for sour gas from modern facilities. As such tonight’s installment is simply a quick-take to address a “Policy Note” from the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives (CCPA) about the LNG Canada project.
In other importing countries like Japan and Korea, LNG is almost guaranteed to increase total GHG emissions.”. Canadian charitable number: 124146473RR0001. Since the report was prepared, a team of actual experts in this discipline produced a comprehensive peer-reviewed article on the topic Country-Level Life Cycle Assessment of Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Liquefied Natural Gas Trade for Electricity Generation. As for comparing against best-technology coal, that is a ridiculous comparison since the worst-technology facilities are still operating and are the ones that will be replaced. Table 12 is the one the CCPA apparently uses as the basis for their argument that LNG is no better than coal. Only if you use Howarth’s discredited numbers do you come close to balancing off the carbon intensity of coal over LNG but we all know Howarth’s numbers are wrong every real expert in the field has demonstrated that they are based on bad data. This means one has to wait for 50 years or so for breakeven comparing best tech coal to BC LNG. Ultimately, I could end this blog pretty quickly by pointing out that the CCPA analysis has been overtaken by real researchers. Canada May 1, 2019 The study you quote looks at 100 years only.

Their first choice is coal, we need to offer them a better choice. 3% is therefore likely an underestimate for unconventional gas out of the Montney which will supply LNG Canada. The analysis starts with inflammatory rhetoric including calling LNG Canada a “carbon bomb” and calling support for the project a “form of climate change denial“. Sour gas emissions pose significant health risks which is why Alberta/BC sour gas has lower emissions. ( Log Out /  But when the China Coal is burned using the ZECCOM™¹ (Zero Emissions Coal Combustion) Process it has no emissions.

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